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Discussion Topic: Hey, Its a Good Thing Coakley Lost |
1 BWPStaff |
01-21-2010 @ 4:33 PM |
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Hey, I’m not crying about it! With petty Blue Dog squabbles a plenty, the loss of a senate seat combined with other losses should move the party in the right direction.
The Dems were like 70% of the million dollar lottery winners in America, broke and busted years later. The problem, they didn’t know what to do with their bounty! So they wasted the opportunity. Compare that with the fact that the Senate had a 60 to 40 democratic majority and then they had members not vote in unity, you can see that they squandered a great gift from the American people: a clear majority.
But with folks like Ben Nelson and Smokin’ Joe Liebermann playing childish power games with their own party, folks in Massachusetts were very pissed off with the senate’s disunity and decided to vote them out. So what should Democratic senators do to show the voters that they are serious about fixing America? They should focus on issues the non wallstreet folks of America want to see put into law:
1. Reversal of the Glass-Stegall bill separating regular banks from investment banks.
2. Revocation of the Monopoly that health care firms have
3. Passage of key parts of Health Insurance reform. Yes, health insurance reform.
4. Revocation of the tax cuts for the rich.
5. Continued limits on H1-B1 visas
6. Revoke tax breaks for firms that farm our manufacturing to foreign firms
With these basic tasks the Senate democrats and Obama can get their butts on the right track. They have been given a wake up call and have a while before the 2012 elections. The bottom line is that it is a REAL good thing that Obama has to take it in the gut! Why? The people did not elect him to be a nice guy; we elected him to do a job!
Need we remind him of the criminals from the previous administration or the Wallstreet crooks that are still getting paid big? Oh, and finally the $500 billion tax cut for the rich should be revoked by now. Yes, there is a lot more to do.
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| 2cleodine |
01-21-2010 @ 5:17 PM |
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Hey, I’m not crying about it! With petty Blue Dog squabbles a plenty, the loss of a senate seat combined with other losses should move the party in the right direction.
The Dems were like 70% of the million dollar lottery winners in America, broke and busted years later. The problem, they didn’t know what to do with their bounty! So they wasted the opportunity. Compare that with the fact that the Senate had a 60 to 40 democratic majority and then they had members not vote in unity, you can see that they squandered a great gift from the American people: a clear majority.
But with folks like Ben Nelson and Smokin’ Joe Liebermann playing childish power games with their own party, folks in Massachusetts were very pissed off with the senate’s disunity and decided to vote them out. So what should Democratic senators do to show the voters that they are serious about fixing America? They should focus on issues the non wallstreet folks of America want to see put into law:
1. Reversal of the Glass-Stegall bill separating regular banks from investment banks.
2. Revocation of the Monopoly that health care firms have
3. Passage of key parts of Health Insurance reform. Yes, health insurance reform.
4. Revocation of the tax cuts for the rich.
5. Continued limits on H1-B1 visas
6. Revoke tax breaks for firms that farm our manufacturing to foreign firms
With these basic tasks the Senate democrats and Obama can get their butts on the right track. They have been given a wake up call and have a while before the 2012 elections. The bottom line is that it is a REAL good thing that Obama has to take it in the gut! Why? The people did not elect him to be a nice guy; we elected him to do a job!
Need we remind him of the criminals from the previous administration or the Wallstreet crooks that are still getting paid big? Oh, and finally the $500 billion tax cut for the rich should be revoked by now. Yes, there is a lot more to do.
And so begins the decline of the democrats.
VOTER VIRGINITY IS THE WAY! 
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| 3sl8 |
01-21-2010 @ 6:48 PM |
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if obama told yall that you should eat shyt....70% of yall would start taking spoons to your ass holes!
in truth, SL8
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| 4mulberry |
01-21-2010 @ 7:12 PM |
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Need we remind him of the criminals from the previous administration or the Wallstreet crooks that are still getting paid big? Oh, and finally the $500 billion tax cut for the rich should be revoked by now. Yes, there is a lot more to do.
Boy the tainted koolaid is wearing off I see. I would like to know how in the hell are you going to remind him when in fact he has those same Wall Street criminals in his administration. Obama is spineless and he thought that by appeasing the whytes they would welcome him at all corners, while he pushed the brown people back into the back drop. Well all is not so rosy with the pales.
The supreme court has given him the another carrot and stuck it to the people once again. Now let's see what he does about that. The Supreme court has ruled that a corporation is a person..LOL..and have voting rights. The injustice system strikes again.
While obama is out and about trying to court these haters, the house of cards is seeing a busted wall.
Coakley is a racist democrat..next!! He was stomping for that whyte woman again and low and behold the black voters told her to kiss their ass. Will he pay attention? How many of these weaklings will he insert into positions while overlooking the brown people?
Wheewwww...ya think all the people are stupid..Hell NAW.
Live Free or Die Trying
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| 5BWPStaff |
01-22-2010 @ 4:48 AM |
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Actually President Obama is a very good leader that is handling a crisis of untold magnitude. There is no one in these boards that could even possibly do a better job.
You (me too) can only arm chair.
However, there are times when we (all the avatars that back the creator) that he is listening to a little to much bipartisan garbage when the other side didn't want any part of it.
The Prez needs to get back to basics and do the job we put in office to do. Thus the analysis of his performance in office is in question and it is well understood that there are certain advisors, namely Geithner and Emmanual that should be kicked to the curb.
They are not good for America.
Browns pushed to the back. I think that our people are performing well ... that is why you're not hearing a lot about them. e.g., Holder ... who still needs to bring folks in the last administration to court!!!
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| 6cleodine |
01-22-2010 @ 9:14 AM |
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There is no one in these boards that could even possibly do a better job.
How do you know this?
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However, there are times when we (all the avatars that back the creator) that he is listening to a little to much bipartisan garbage when the other side didn't want any part of it.
And who's fault is this?
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The Prez needs to get back to basics and do the job we put in office to do.
What are the basics and what job(s) was he elected to do?
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Thus the analysis of his performance in office is in question and it is well understood that there are certain advisors, namely Geithner and Emmanual that should be kicked to the curb.
Please add Gibbs and Axelrod, too. And, he needs another speechwriter. Wow, he's on his second speechwriter in less than a year. This means President Obama's "voice' is not clear and concise.
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Browns pushed to the back.
Absolutely not! Forget Sarah Palin, Mr. Brown has arrived. Quite frankly, Brown and President Obama have sismilar characteristics. And if Brown continues to rise, he or Romeny will be the frontrunning Republicans for the 2012 presidential election.
A Brown-Romney or Romney-Brown ticket will sell magazines and be a ratings bonanza. That's what's called "WHITE MALE STAR POWER."
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| 7dawilliams |
01-22-2010 @ 9:35 AM |
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Bravo creator! The one good thing you said in your last post is Emmanuel,Guitner and you forgot Larry Summers should have been out of the cabinet yesterday!
Some of us who post here have a little more smarts than you give us credit for. I have been involved in many political campaigns and have even been asked to consider running myself. I have relented because I have other missions I want to complete before I consider running for an office. So there.
Obama is a good poltician but you and I both know the guy has made mistakes. We have a right to complain because we are the ones who are going to suffer. So there. I stand by all I have said good and bad about Obama.
Its not a good thing that Coakley lost. The Health Care deal is now on life support. They are going to seat this fool that upset her and he has vowed to help kill the Health Care Bill. Whats so good about that. People need Health Care yesterday. People are going to die unecessarily because of this. I hope you realize this. The Republicans keep whining they want to be part of the discussion process. Bullschitt. They dont want Health Care reform. They only want in to obstruct its passage even longer. Ted Kennedy is turning over in his Grave!! He endorsed Obama and dude let him down!
a luta continua
This message was edited by dawilliams on 1-22-10 @ 10:42 AM
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| 8BWPStaff |
01-22-2010 @ 10:09 AM |
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dawilliams, good reply. I have always given folks in the boards their props and when I get time (like now) I dive in head first.
But bear with me here; the most important parts of the former Health Care reform bill was cost control and the way that the bill was offered up only the deficit grew and the health insurance firms and big pharma would just make more money.
Thus priority number one is cost control. How to do that: well increase competition. Thus get rid of the Monopoly in combination with getting rid of pre-existing conditions and you'll see Health-insurance execs screaming for mama. This single move would (eliminating the monopoly) would bring down cost to more reasonable levels.
Control the Medicare Part B subsidy - This is a direct payment to vendors like the Scooter store that get nearly 100% of their income from part b. Thus the $500 Billion unsupported deficit building Bush bill needs to be a more general subsidy for overall US citizen (young and old) health care.
And of course, allow folks with pre-existing conditions to buy insurance!
Everyone will make mistakes. You cannot run a 307,000,000 person country w/o making mistakes, but if you hear the people speak and don't compromise then you are indeed a fool. To even think so is folly.
But the reaction is sound is right up my ally. I wrote something about this on a corporate blog last year. I'll look for it and post it here. Hopefully I can find it.
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| 9dawilliams |
01-22-2010 @ 1:06 PM |
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creator
All this political gamesmanship is well and good. The bottom line is people are going to die unecessarily because of a few mealy mouthed disengenous politicians. Obviously your not personlly effected by this. If you were I dont think you would so philisophical about this situation. You can still talk about political strategy. When the reality of loosing loved ones hits you in the gut then it becomes a little different.
Obama now wants the congress to pass his employment bill. Does he think that after loosing out on Health Care he can get an employment bill passed? Hes gotta be for real! If the Republicans get involved they will put so many inhibitions restrictions and regulations in any bill they agree too it won't be worth the paper its written on.
a luta continua
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| 10mulberry |
01-22-2010 @ 1:56 PM |
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Actually President Obama is a very good leader that is handling a crisis of untold magnitude. There is no one in these boards that could even possibly do a better job.
You (me too) can only arm chair.
Please speak for yourself for you know not the capabilities of everyone. Why did Obama not fight for Southers(darker brown) the TSA nominee, but he fought tooth and nail for Sotomayer for the supreme court.
Where was that fight? I guess because he was not part of the Bush or CLinton administration he was not a good candidate.
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Browns pushed to the back. I think that our people are performing well ... that is why you're not hearing a lot about them. e.g., Holder ... who still needs to bring folks in the last administration to court!!!
I guess that is good enough for you, that for all the multiple qualified browns, how many are appointed to high cabinet positions? Holder? only one and you expect him to bring who to justice? Really you cannot be serious. When Obama has a multitude of Clintonites in his cabinet..ie Rahm Emanuel, Giethner and Summers are not going anywhere because they are the ones from previous administrations who Obama feels he has to please.
Obama feels he has to appease those living presidents and finish what they started. If he had the spine he would have not injected more troops into Afghanistan to kill innocent women and children.
And another thing..is Harvard the only breeding ground for him to select people? I am sure you were at the Bilderberg meeting, were you not paying attention.
Live Free or Die Trying
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| 11heartbone |
01-22-2010 @ 5:45 PM |
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Actually President Obama is a very good leader that is handling a crisis of untold magnitude. There is no one in these boards that could even possibly do a better job.
Ever since you banned and censored me "TheCreator", your lack of common sense has become very obvious and irritating.
Webmaster, can't you do better than this?
Please get rid of this limited clown and replace her with someone with more depth.
Please.
“Go ahead, make my day.”
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| 12dawilliams |
01-24-2010 @ 9:29 AM |
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heartbone,webmaster,the creator?
WTF? Whose in charge here any mothafiuckin way?
a luta continua
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| 13sl8 |
01-24-2010 @ 9:33 AM |
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post 11....
creator
remember when i said stop insulting our intelligence...
well....
in truth, SL8
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| 14grassroot |
01-24-2010 @ 10:16 AM |
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Why I Voted for the Republican in Massachusetts
"Get off your butts,” implored Boston Democrat Mayor “Mumbles” Menino. Thus spake the inarticulate mayor at the desperate rally featuring Barack Obama last Sunday before the special Senate election in Massachusetts. Mumbles was savvy enough to recognize that the Democratic base in Massachusetts, the only state to vote for George McGovern, was deeply disappointed in Obama and the Democrats.
Why did I vote for Republican Scott Brown? It took some persuasion. In the end it was my Democratic Party friends and activists who convinced me. Let me explain. It was clear that the special Senate election in Massachusetts was a referendum on Obama and the Democrats who control the entire federal government – Congress and the Presidency.
I must admit that my first instinct was to vote for a third Party candidate, a Libertarian. (There was no Green or other independent in this race.) After all, the Libertarian, a guy named Kennedy, agreed with me on opposition to wars and empire and in support of civil liberties. In contrast I knew damned well that when push came to shove the Republicrat candidates would be on the other side on all these issues – no matter what they said now in the heat of the campaign and desperate for votes. And of course all three candidates were against single-payer health care, a passion of this writer for twenty some years. So my first instinct was to vote for the Libertarian and get someone who agreed with me 70 per cent of the time versus 0 per cent
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Would I not risk the failure of the Obama health care bill if the Democrat did not win? But I do not want the Obama health care bill to succeed. It is little other than a formula for permanently handing our entire health care system over to the sector of finance capital known as the insurance industry, for taxing decent health care plans and for putting off to the indefinite future comprehensive, egalitarian, universal health care. Dr. Marcia Angel, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine and long-time crusader for single-payer, has taken the position that it would be far better to have no new law than the Obamanation known as the Democrat Party “health care reform.” I agree with her on that, and so do many of my colleagues in Physicians for a National Health Program, although that is not our official position. So on the issue of health care, it made little difference which candidate I would vote for.
But why then not stick with the Libertarian? Why vote Republican? This is where my Democrat Party friends came in. Whenever I went to vote for Nader or a Green, they would explain that I was wasting my vote on a third Party candidate. Was I not doing the same here by voting Libertarian? Suddenly I realized that the Democrats were right. If I wanted to protest the lies of the Obmacrats and “send a message” to the Democrat Party elite, I should not waste my vote on the Libertarian. And so they convinced me to vote Republican. And so Scott Brown, the Republican, won in Massachusetts with my vote and that of many others pissed off at the betrayal of the Democrats.
Of course the Democratic operatives are now blaming the disconsolate and bewildered loser, Democrat Attorney General Martha Coakley, for running a “poor campaign.” But in what did the poverty of her effort consist? She merely assumed that the Democratic voters and the independents here in Mass who are by and large a pretty progressive lot had nowhere else to go. They had to vote for her, and so she did not need to campaign very hard after the primary. The Democrats were mightily surprised on this score. She is not to blame, but the Democrat Party assumption that they can take progressives for granted is very much to blame for this humiliating defeat.
I began to understand that something was afoot in this campaign when I noticed many folks out in the traffic circles and on street corners in Central Massachusetts, in and about Worcester, holding signs for Brown, even in the snow and sleet. There was no such enthusiasm for Coakley – not a single sign holder did I see. Now let me explain the demographics a bit. Central Mass is blue collar country, suffering deeply from the unemployment of the current recession. It is not clueless about bailouts for the banksters but no job creation for the hoy polloi the policy of Bush/Obama. And it was Central Mass that delivered a very big margin for Republican Brown who posed as a populist and captured their vote.
I vote not in central Massachusetts but in overwhelmingly and conventionally liberal Cambridge, but even there little enthusiasm for Democrat Coakley was evident. She had only taken a position against the Obama wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan when forced to do so by a primary opponent. There were no signs for Coakley at my polling place very close to Harvard Square. The peace constituency of Cambridge, in the words of the venerable “Mumbles” Menino, was voting with its butt which remained quite inert.
After voting Republican with some satisfaction at having not wasted my protest vote, I told a young student coming out of the polling place with me that I was so angry with the Democrats and Obama that I had voted Republican, remaining a bit unsure whether I should have gone the Libertarian route. He said that he felt the same way but voted Democrat anyway. He confessed that he was now having voter’s remorse.
So Massachusetts has delivered a warning to the Democrat Party. Do not take the peace vote or the jobless vote for granted. We want peace and we want jobs and we want decent affordable health care. If you do not deliver, we will go elsewhere. We will not vote for you. We will vote the other Party in protest. Or we will stay home and vote with our butts.
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| 15grassroot |
01-24-2010 @ 10:29 AM |
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The bottom line is that it is a REAL good thing that Obama has to take it in the gut! Why? The people did not elect him to be a nice guy; we elected him to do a job!
Sorry, I don't think everyone agrees that Obama has done his job that well and many don't see that gut thing you are talking about.
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Suddenly I realized that the Democrats were right. If I wanted to protest the lies of the Obmacrats and “send a message” to the Democrat Party elite, I should not waste my vote on the Libertarian. And so they convinced me to vote Republican. And so Scott Brown, the Republican, won in Massachusetts with my vote and that of many others pissed off at the betrayal of the Democrats.
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