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Discussion Topic: Immigration Reform in Arizona, Mixed Feelings All Around |
1 BWPStaff |
04-23-2010 @ 2:39 PM |
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(BWP Buzz Zone: Orlando, FL) One thing is obvious, if an American goes to China and overstays their welcome without asking permission from the Chinese government, you would say that that American is staying in China illegally. But what about Mexicans that are doing just that in America? Don't they know that they are here illegally?
It is pretty obvious that if you are a foreigner that it is your responsibility to tell the hosting country when you enter and when you exit their country. To not inform the hosting company simply implies that there is intent on the entrant to stay in the country illegally! In addition, it is widely known that the Mexican government (on a local level) promotes illegally entering the USA as a solution to their social problems. After all, if the USA pays the tab for their education and health care they don’t have to.In addition, what happens in a world where there are 200 plus countries and 1 country wants special consideration to allow its millions of illegal entrant's legal status in the country next door?
Well, then you have the problem that Mexico presents to the United States of America.
American people understand that the Mexican government is deliberately allowing its people to come to America because they don't want to take care of those people. And, just how many Mexicans are illegally in the USA? Well, via an estimate from a site called the American Resistance there are more than 12,000,000-plus illegal Mexican immigrants in the USA. For that many immigrants to cross over to a neighboring country points to it being a strategy of the country allowing the persistent illegal crossings.
And now Arizona has taken a controversial step identify and deport illegal immigrants. Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed into law the toughest legislation against illegal immigration Friday, April 23, 2010 making it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. It would also require local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants. The bill takes effect in 90 days.
Talking to folks on the streets reveals many mixed blessings. For instance, it is well known that immigrants suck billions of dollars from the states that service them. It is also apparent that illegals pay no taxes to support the schools and roads that they attend. In addition, many Mexican Hispanics don't even feel that it is necessary to learn English to be in the USA. Thus, additional languages must be added to county, state, and federal material.
Thus, it is apparent that the federal government will have to come up with a comprehensive solution that could solve the problem. The solution will most likely involve deportation as well as selective citizenship appointments. The bottom line is that Mexico will end up needing to support their citizens more.
So what do you think? Did Governor Jan Brewer make the right move? Will this stop the arrogance of folks that willfully break the law or will it make surrounding states empower themselves with the same laws of Arizona?
Yes, we're starting somethin'
This message was edited by BWPStaff on 4-23-10 @ 3:31 PM
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| 2mem-ra |
04-24-2010 @ 7:39 AM |
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wow....
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| 3dawilliams |
04-24-2010 @ 9:16 AM |
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BWP Staff
Hopefully Obama and the Federal government will enforce the law. If we as African-Americans break the law we are severly punished. Even if we are innocent!! Is this not true!!
a luta continua
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| 4RoyRogers |
04-25-2010 @ 5:30 PM |
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I have always thought that Mexican immigrants and others smaller latin countries in particular thought that it was their right to be able to illegally live in this country. Folks from Nigeria, England, etc., and every foreign college student knows that visiting OUR country is temporary.
I do see that the Arizona reform bill will be the impetus of a fully realized national bill complete with a border wall, surveillance, agreements from the Mexican government to limit their entry and more.
The AZ bill is a hastily designed solution full of racial overtures, but it will make the federal government start designing some solutions.
Education is a tool. Use it.
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| 5grassroot |
04-25-2010 @ 7:38 PM |
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quote:
but it will make the federal government start designing some solutions.
I think this is the backdrop for the AZ bill.
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| 6mem-ra |
04-26-2010 @ 3:30 AM |
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Some people are easy to play.
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| 7grassroot |
04-26-2010 @ 9:55 AM |
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Whatever!
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| 8grassroot |
04-26-2010 @ 11:45 AM |
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Obama Urged to Fight Ariz. Immigration Law. Opponents Want feds to Refuse to Enforce
PHOENIX - The conflict over a sweeping crackdown on illegal immigration in Arizona intensified Monday as vandals smeared refried beans in the shape of swastikas on the state Capitol's windows.
More protests were planned Monday after thousands gathered this weekend to demonstrate against a bill that will make it a state crime to be an illegal immigrant in Arizona.
Opponents say the law will lead to rampant racial profiling and turn Arizona into a police state with provisions that require police to question people about their immigrant status if they suspect they are here illegally. Day laborers can be arrested for soliciting work if they are in the U.S. illegally, and police departments can be sued if they don't carry out the law.
But supporters of the law, set to take effect in late July or August, say it is necessary to protect Arizonans from a litany of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Arizona is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.
Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the bill on Friday, argues Arizona must act because the federal government has failed to stop the steady stream of illegal immigrants and drugs that move through Arizona from Mexico. She is scheduled to speak about the issue Monday at a Tucson hotel.
Revved up national debate
The law has revved up the national debate, drawing the attention of the Obama administration and Congress. Obama has called the new law "misguided" and instructed the Justice Department to examine it to see if it's legal.
The new law makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. Immigrants unable to produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the U.S. could be arrested, jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500.
U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva, a Democrat, called on Obama to fight the controversial law. He urged the federal government not to cooperate when illegal immigrants are picked up by local police if the tough new state immigration law survives legal challenges.
Grijalva and civil rights activists spoke on Sunday to thousands of people gathered at the state Capitol. Some promised to march in the streets and invite arrest by refusing to comply.
"We're going to overturn this unjust and racist law, and then we're going to overturn the power structure that created this unjust, racist law," Grijalva said.
Supporters have dismissed concerns about profiling, saying the law prohibits the use of race or nationality as the sole basis for an immigration check.
The law is expected to spark a legal challenge and has become a hot issue in the run-up to the mid-term congressional elections in November, when Democrats will defend their majorities in the Senate and House of Representatives.
Politics Daily's Andrew Cohen predicted that "in a few weeks, or maybe even a few days, the effect of the state law is likely to be stayed by the federal courts. And then the debate will go back to where it belongs, onto Capitol Hill and away from the courts, at least for the time being."
'Civil rights catastrophe'
Arizona officers would arrest people found to be undocumented and turn them over to federal immigration officers. Opponents said the federal government can block the law by refusing to accept them.
U.S. Representative Luis Gutierrez, a Democrat and chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Immigration Task Force, described the new law as a "serious civil rights catastrophe that Republicans in Arizona are unleashing on immigrants."
The Rev. Al Sharpton told the Wall Street Journal that he would travel to Arizona to protest the measure.
"The Arizona immigration bill is an affront to the civil rights of all Americans and an attempt to legalize racial profiling," he said.
"When I heard about it, it reminded me of Nazi Germany," Lillian Rodríguez López, president of the Hispanic Federation, told the New York Daily News. "It reminded me of South African apartheid."
Gateway
Brewer, who faces a tough re-election battle and growing anger in the state over illegal immigrants, said the law "protects every Arizona citizen" and the state must act because the federal government has failed.
Arizona's border with Mexico is the nation's busiest stretch for illegal border crossings. The state's harsh, remote desert serves as the gateway to the U.S. for thousands of Mexicans and Central Americans.
The March 27 shooting death of rancher Rob Krentz on his property in southeastern Arizona brought illegal immigration and border security into greater focus in the state. Authorities believe Krentz was killed by an illegal border crosser.
But Sheriff Joe Arpaio, of Arizona's Maricopa County, told NBC's TODAY that the new law wouldn't mean that police officers would "go on a street corner and grab people because they look like they're from another country."
He predicted the measure would mean that "more people will move" to Arizona.
"When we raid private businesses and arrest illegal aliens working there, with the majority with phony identification, we're making more job openings by getting rid of those that are here illegally," Arpaio added. "Maybe people here who are legal will be able to find a job. "
Arizona's U.S. Senators Jon Kyl and John McCain have announced a ten-point plan to boost border security, including sending the National Guard to help secure it, erecting fences and increasing funds for policing.
McCain, who lost the 2008 election to Obama, faces a tough primary challenge in his re-election bid from conservative J.D. Hayworth this year. Hayworth has called for tough enforcement of illegal immigration and tight security of the border.
Meanwhile at the state level, immigrant rights groups are promising to boost voter registration among Arizonans opposed to the law in a bid to defeat Brewer in November.
"Governor Brewer has to be held responsible for signing what is now an international shame on the state of Arizona," said Jennifer Allen, executive-director of Border Action Network, an immigrant rights group.
This message was edited by grassroot on 4-26-10 @ 12:01 PM
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| 9mem-ra |
04-26-2010 @ 12:30 PM |
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Now watch the shiny watch as I swing it back and forth and let yourself drift as I count backwards from 10-1...
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| 10bevo |
04-26-2010 @ 1:08 PM |
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Now watch the shiny watch as I swing it back and forth and let yourself drift as I count backwards from 10-1...
ROFLMAOPIMP
Everybody is above the law until they get caught.
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| 11bevo |
04-26-2010 @ 1:09 PM |
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I've said this before and I will say it again. If the U.S. withhold all foreign aid to all Latin American coountries and apply it to the services that mexicans and others receive. You will see a drastic change in the floatilla of roaches.
Everybody is above the law until they get caught.
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| 12bevo |
04-26-2010 @ 1:16 PM |
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After being a victim of illegal alien trespass about 100 times. I am all for this bill. I am sick and tired of these people trying to break into my home, trying to steal my car(s), one tried to steal one of my horses and all of my dogs ate his ass up after Morgana threw his ass off.
They have got to to. Either round them up and drop them from a plane or use them as target practice when they cross the border.
The U.S. is not the only country suffering from the mexican illegals, try Australia and other European countries.
Everybody is above the law until they get caught.
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| 13LA90056X2 |
04-26-2010 @ 1:55 PM |
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Thank you BEVO!
You know of what you speak~
My friends in Austrilia say the problem is getting to be a "real" problem!
The real issue is that these people want to "rise" up, and they are on a mission to do so by taking advantage of everything/opportunity they can to move forward~
PEACE
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| 14bevo |
04-26-2010 @ 2:04 PM |
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Taz's family said that Australia is their native country, not the mexicans. The in-laws have had a few go rounds with the mexicans.
I say it won't be long before Juan Gonzales ends up missing in the outback never to be found.
Everybody is above the law until they get caught.
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| 15bevo |
04-26-2010 @ 2:07 PM |
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Several years ago Belgium was raising holy hell about the Mexicans invading their country. I remember a show on Coasttocoastam where Belgians and other countries were calling in and complaining about the illegals from Mexico.
Send them back
Everybody is above the law until they get caught.
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| 16LA90056X2 |
04-26-2010 @ 2:28 PM |
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BEVO,
LOL! LOL!
Yep! I have certainly heard of the "outback" Lol, lol.
PEACE
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| 17grassroot |
04-26-2010 @ 5:07 PM |
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Kidnapping Capital of the U.S.A.
In what officials caution is now a dangerous and even deadly crime wave, Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now.
"We're in the eye of the storm," Phoenix Police Chief Andy Anderson told ABC News of the violent crimes and ruthless tactics spurred by Mexico's drug cartels that have expanded business across the border. "If it doesn't stop here, if we're not able to fix it here and get it turned around, it will go across the nation," he said.
California Attorney General Jerry Brown warned that as the U.S. government focuses so intently on Islamic extremist groups, other types of terrorists those involved with the same kidnappings, extortion and drug cartels that are sweeping Phoenix are overlooked.
"Those [criminals], for the average Californian or the average America, may be a more immediate threat to their well being," Brown said.
In fact, kidnappings and other crimes connected to the Mexican drug cartels are quickly spreading across the border, from Texas to California. The majority of the victims are either illegal aliens or connected to the drug trade.
An ABC News' investigation uncovered horrific cases of chopped-off hands, legs and heads when a victim's family doesn't pay up fast enough.
"They're ruthless, so now they're ripping each other off, but doing it in our city," Anderson said.
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| 18RoyRogers |
04-26-2010 @ 9:20 PM |
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mem-ra, I fail to understand your sarcasm. Immigration is a real problem. A lot of folks resent the fact that our laws are so easily circumvented. To me, someone has to pay. Ever go to an emergency room in Dallas? 80% Mexican (not just hispanic, e.g., Columbian, Salvadorian, etc.). The cost to our health care system over the decades .. a fortune.
Education is a tool. Use it.
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| 19RoyRogers |
04-26-2010 @ 9:55 PM |
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come on bevo, these are people, not roaches. Lets have a real conversation for once!
Education is a tool. Use it.
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| 20mem-ra |
04-27-2010 @ 6:05 AM |
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Bevo
The legal theft of your time, money, resources, and energy is not done by any mexican.....
Why dont we get pissed at the MAIN culprits?
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| 21dawilliams |
04-27-2010 @ 8:03 AM |
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all
Arizona is in a financial crisis. The sates tax base is shrinking. If the retirees who come to Arizona and spend their money leave it will bankrupt the state. The horrible crime rate is forcing these people to live elsewhere. If they leave Arizona will loose a big part of their economy.
The illegals are committing terrible crimes in Arizona. These crimes are being committed against Whites. If the victims were Black you probably would not here about it as much or at all. The reason so many whites have been victimized is the reason for the new law and outrage. Illegals have been committing terrible crimes against Blacks in Los Angeles for decades.
If the law is worded correctly with the right language it may stand. However I do feel that Obm is going to have the Justice Department make sure it does not pass muster. There is some type of an agreement with U.S. and Mexico to allow this illegl immigration to continue. Sooner or later it will come to light.
If Arizonas law stands other states will follow suit. I personally hope their case wins. These illegals are causing too many problems.
a luta continua
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